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acroyearNow I don't want to get into a rant here, but neither IE NOR Netscape follow the standards correctly. I support the standards, and also respect that one must move forwards in capabilities or be left behind by those that do. The browser wars were supposed to be about standards. Tragically, Netscape 1) lost the war and 2) didn't have a stable-enough code base to be fixed via open source methods (particularly when required 3rd party stuff was removed, leaving a lot of gaping functionality holes).
Thus, Mozilla had to basically start over w/ the new layout engine, Gecko. Newer *IS* better in this case, both in the Mac world and in the standards-based browsing world.
The style sheets are NOT poorly formated. They are perfectly legit to the standard; i ran 'em through a validator. That Netscape for doesn't (and will never) support the standard is neither our fault, nor LJs. That Netscape freezes or crashes as a result is certainly not our fault.
One can always try to go into the netscape configuration options dialog and turn off stylesheets. Netscape 4 allowed that, at least for windows/linux, though the resultant look was often horid and even more unreadable. The other option, seeing if the right-mouse-button menu had a "copy link location" (which it does in IE and Mozilla) isn't an option for OS 9 since Macs don't have that right mouse button to start with (and thus, most mac apps don't have those menus even for the macs with 2-button mice).
Mozilla as "newest and greatest" it most certainly isn't. Html 4.0 and CSS 2.0 are *3 years old*. Netscape 4.x is technically now 5 years old and 5 years abandoned. No bug fixes or functionality fixes have been done in ANY Netscape 4 release since 4.6. The only reason ANY release after 4.6 happened is to fix security issues to keep the feds (who'd committed to Netscape for a solution back in the 3.x days) from complaining. That's it. No other bugs like the multitude of CSS problems have ever been fixed in a Netscape 4 release since 4.6 over 5 years ago.
So no, I have no intention any more of crippling my stuff to work with a product that has been abandoned by its owners for half a decade.
The world moves on.
Thus, Mozilla had to basically start over w/ the new layout engine, Gecko. Newer *IS* better in this case, both in the Mac world and in the standards-based browsing world.
The style sheets are NOT poorly formated. They are perfectly legit to the standard; i ran 'em through a validator. That Netscape for doesn't (and will never) support the standard is neither our fault, nor LJs. That Netscape freezes or crashes as a result is certainly not our fault.
One can always try to go into the netscape configuration options dialog and turn off stylesheets. Netscape 4 allowed that, at least for windows/linux, though the resultant look was often horid and even more unreadable. The other option, seeing if the right-mouse-button menu had a "copy link location" (which it does in IE and Mozilla) isn't an option for OS 9 since Macs don't have that right mouse button to start with (and thus, most mac apps don't have those menus even for the macs with 2-button mice).
Mozilla as "newest and greatest" it most certainly isn't. Html 4.0 and CSS 2.0 are *3 years old*. Netscape 4.x is technically now 5 years old and 5 years abandoned. No bug fixes or functionality fixes have been done in ANY Netscape 4 release since 4.6. The only reason ANY release after 4.6 happened is to fix security issues to keep the feds (who'd committed to Netscape for a solution back in the 3.x days) from complaining. That's it. No other bugs like the multitude of CSS problems have ever been fixed in a Netscape 4 release since 4.6 over 5 years ago.
So no, I have no intention any more of crippling my stuff to work with a product that has been abandoned by its owners for half a decade.
The world moves on.
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Date: 2004-03-29 01:36 pm (UTC)One of the problems is that some applications who never thought Mozilla and standards would break backwards-compatibility things (mostly javascript and the DOM for DHTML). These apps in their javascript only look to see if a browser is Mozilla and greater than 4, so Mozilla 5 matches their scripts and they try to do things that Mozilla no longer supports (by being standards compliant, with a few IE modifications like innerHTML).
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Date: 2004-03-29 01:50 pm (UTC)Besides which, Netscape 7 doesn't seem to exist for Mac OS9. So I could (in theory) try to use buggy Netscape 6 that is not to be trusted or ????
Since IE won't upgrade from 5.1 for Mac, I would be in the same boat in a few years using it.s
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Date: 2004-03-29 01:56 pm (UTC)go to http://www.mozilla.org/releases/old-releases-1.1-1.4rc3.html and scroll down to the 1.2.1 entry, or if those stylesheets also cause the browser to yarf, just get http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.2.1/mozilla-macos9-1.2.1-full.bin as is and try it out.
it shouldn't change any netscape settings, though it will import likely them (like bookmarks). i don't think it'll try to change the default app for html files, but no promises.