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...then why is Plan B still lodged in an eternal bureaucratic quagmire rather than being out there on the market where women who need it can get it?

Update: Chris Mooney wonders why, as important as her whistle-blowing was on the situation, the author didn't get more serious into trying to determine the political origins of this political issue.  She raised a lot of questions as rhetorical, without presuming to answer any of them.  Should she have?  Mooney thinks so, but I'm not so sure.  Maybe this is one of those cases where if one presents the problem and its cause at the same time, one overloads the audience with poltical speculation that's automatically met by cynicism (disguised as skepticism, but its not really).

Maybe its best to have independent voices look at the facts she's presented and assemble theories to the causes a little more scientifically, to try to drum up evidence that religion is driving this attack on women's rights rather than flatly saying it just because it fits a (well known) trend.

If you simply blame "the religious right", as Mooney did, you come off as a pundit and partisan, making more enemies than allies.  We (those who favor good education and science) need to separate the religious right ("social conservatives") from their republican mainstream ("academic conservatives") rather than give them more reasons to be allies by increasing their common enemies.

Date: 2006-03-02 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] blueeowyn.livejournal.com
Wrong. Plan B's PRIMARY method of functioning (and why it is so critical to get it immediately) is to prevent ovulation.
No ovulation -> no fertilization -> no life

I will admit to not being fully up on all the nuances of it (and don't have the time to do the research), but the MAIN function is preventing ovulation which is why the delay is such a problem (if the woman is in the 'dangerous period' she could ovulate at any moment.

It does have a negative impact on implantation but that aspect of it is not as strong. Think about it. Ovulation is approx. 14 days prior to menstruation. Implantation occurs about 5-6 days post ovulation (it may be 8 but I think 5 is closer). That gives the conceptus 8-9 days to burrow in, form the blastophere and start the chorion (which later becomes the placenta) which then releases the human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG).

The HCG does a few things. 1) it is what is measured on home pregnancy tests. 2) It tells the Corpus Luteum to keep functioning (producing the progesterone which keeps the uterine lining intact). 3) It tells the uterus to NOT release the hormone (blanking on the name) which would lyse the CL.

The PlanB pill is ideally taken immediately (preventing the ovulation) and again a day or so later (Vval can correct me on this one) since the sperm (on average) remain capable of fertilization for 48 hours post deposit. If you only take 1 PlanB pill, the ovulation will be delayed but possibly not long enough for the sperm to die.

Unless PlanB also does something to really muck around with the functions of progesterone on the uterine lining, I would think it would limited effects on implantation (and I think it has some effect but not enough to completely prevent the implant).

Yes Virginia, a biology degree does come in handy.

What would be a potentially useful thing is that when a woman goes to the authorities/hospital after a rape, she be given (or at least offered) PlanB immediately since those are the women who really deserve to have the option.

I am just callous enough to have the most sympathy for rape victims, followed by women who have a known failure (usually torn condom) and less sympathy for women who have sex without being actively involved in birth control unless they are OK with a pregnancy. Yes, passion is a big deal, yes the drive to GO FOR IT is a strong one, but we (humans) are theoretically above that. And if you are dating someone, you should have SOME idea of whether or not you will be sleeping with them and can plan.

Family PLANNING - what a concept.

Date: 2006-03-02 07:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] acroyear70.livejournal.com
my mistake.

there are some drugs that do inhibit inplantation, but i accept that Plan B is not one of them. one of the problems is that its hard to get a laymans' page that makes it clear (by comparisons) what drugs are there and what their specific target effect and side effects are, as well as their efficacy rates.

in other words, they don't compare the various "morning after" drugs to themselves; they only make it clear that its not "RU 486" (the actual abortion drug available in parts of Europe).

Date: 2006-03-02 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] javasaurus.livejournal.com
Here's a page for you.

Sorry if it seems Blueeowyn and I teamed up on you! I guess she was reading my mind as I was typing.

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