yes, people really are this nuts...
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update: i guess you all just don't get it, do you?
the birds are now already dead. any that didn't get killed in the destruction of the trees will die without child next year when they have no nest to return to and no trees to build a new nest in. the next year after that, there won't be any to return.
they are now dead. as in extinct dead. anybody with a sick twisted mind can just show up next spring and watch them die.
another species is to be made extinct in our lifetime because people only give a shit about money..
and i would also add that far more animals besides the protected woodpecker were killed (or will die) as a result of this action.
this isn't just one lot, this is entire zones adding up to an area the size of Reston, all completely flat and barren. the evironmental impacts of this just from a weather-control standpoint are tremendous: it just turned a tornado-resistent forest into a tornado-prone plains-land, which will REALLY have an impact on property value when the first one hits next spring.
Apparently, some North Carolina residents were recently informed by the Fish and Wildlife Service that new regulations might be coming down to protect habitat for a rare woodpecker. This particular species of woodpecker will only make its home in living trees, building nests over a period of years, sometimes handing the nests down from generation to generation.
Many of the locals, alarmed at the possibility of losing some of their property value as a result of government actions to protect the woodpeckers, have found a fantastic way of protecting their economic bottom line. They're eliminating all of the potential woodpecker habitat from their property now, just in case they might not be allowed to do it later. Just so that we're clear, "eliminating" in this case means that they are clear-cutting the lots. They are cutting down every single tree so that they can make sure that they can do whatever they want with the property later.
update: i guess you all just don't get it, do you?
the birds are now already dead. any that didn't get killed in the destruction of the trees will die without child next year when they have no nest to return to and no trees to build a new nest in. the next year after that, there won't be any to return.
they are now dead. as in extinct dead. anybody with a sick twisted mind can just show up next spring and watch them die.
another species is to be made extinct in our lifetime because people only give a shit about money..
and i would also add that far more animals besides the protected woodpecker were killed (or will die) as a result of this action.
this isn't just one lot, this is entire zones adding up to an area the size of Reston, all completely flat and barren. the evironmental impacts of this just from a weather-control standpoint are tremendous: it just turned a tornado-resistent forest into a tornado-prone plains-land, which will REALLY have an impact on property value when the first one hits next spring.
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Date: 2006-09-26 03:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-26 03:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2006-09-26 03:58 pm (UTC)Perhaps a better answer in this case, especially in the undeveloped lots, would have been to invoke emminent domain and provide reasonable market value to the owners.
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Date: 2006-09-26 05:01 pm (UTC)yes they had the fucking permits. i don't fucking care about that.
yes they "owned" the land.
yes they were told that things *MIGHT* change and they might not be allowed to develop the land if the endangered species was found to be living there.
so instead of actually caring about the endangerment and working with wildlife people to maybe transplant the species or figure out how to develop while preserving enough woodlands (something done in PLENTY of other states, thank you), they just say FUCK THE FUCKING BIRD I'M GOING TO KILL THEM ALL OFF NOW THANK YOU.
they're dead.
any bird that normally sets its nest there will return the next year AND DIE WITHOUT CHILD because there is no home to go to anymore.
all because people don't give a shit about anything but money.
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Date: 2006-09-26 05:29 pm (UTC)as i said, but will present here more politely, all the ESA restrictions do is change what type of development can happen. it restricts full-out clearing and/or requires that cleared zones (because of places with large parking requirements) be kept next to uncleared areas (and often developers do supervised land-exchanges to even out the "loss"), and its been done for decades with no problems. this was an instantaneous act (well, over 7 months) of absolute greed and hatred for nature, nothing more.
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Date: 2006-09-26 06:28 pm (UTC)Yes, it sucks about the birds... but they are a victim of THE PEOPLE... which is why I made the comment that I did. The birds have no say or choice in the matter. When you talk to people about conservationism... are you going to talk to the animals? or the ones that CAN actually make a difference...PEOPLE?
I travelled for 9 months with a rehabilitation/educational group that dealt with all the different kinds of birds of prey, and worked with that group on and off for 3 years before I went on the road with them. I got to work hand in hand with these animals on a daily basis. Through the work of groups such as the one I worked with and a great many others... some people's viewpoints on this issue changed.
Perhaps I was not as succint as I should have been in my comment... but I feel for these birds, and the countless generations of them that are now lost forever. ALL because of the careless thinking and wasteful greed of the people that caused the problem in the first place. I don't think that anyone that commented on this post were taking the side of people OVER the side of the birds... but were in fact stating that it was the people's fault for the birds being in their plight.
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Date: 2006-09-26 06:48 pm (UTC)perhaps a little too succinct. :)
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Date: 2006-09-26 07:13 pm (UTC)It's a crappy situation, made worse by incompetant management by the government, which started the panic by issuing the warning, who readily issued an overabundance of unjustified logging permits, who failed to make it well known ahead of time that "having a woodpecker tree on a piece of property does not necessarily mean a house cannot be built there." When property is worth $300k per 1/2-acre, I'm sure there have to be ways to live with nature.
Some good news related to this woodpecker (the red-cockaded woodpecker) is that it is sperad over 11 states, and that through the 90s and into this decade, population decline has been reversed so that the species is slowly recovering. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service maintains plans for the recovery of endangered species, and indicates that the current plan for these woodpeckers should have them "downlisted" by 2050 and "delisted" by 2075. But of course, that depends on the cooperation of people and governments who share their habitats.
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Date: 2006-09-26 11:58 pm (UTC)Because if the article in the newspaper doesn't povide the right disclaimers, the only option is to spend money to clear cut your property and kill the birds now. Research is just too hard, you have to read to do research and stuff. When given the choice between spending a little time finding out facts, or paying someone to operate a chainsaw, the choice is obvious. If the government doesn't give the facts out in ten foot tall letters of fire, you can't blame people for not finding out on their own. That's what government is for, to provide people with all the information they ever need.
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Date: 2006-09-26 06:19 pm (UTC)Another example how people need their stuff to WORK for them!
Date: 2006-09-26 06:54 pm (UTC)Why must everything we have and do bring tangible rewards?